Topic: sequoia system error

dear forum
recently i bought acuson sequoia c256 and transported it through long travel to my place when i start it  it wont and just power is on but there is system error what it could be the cause ?
when i open the power , there is power but the system , start up is not going one and after a while the moitor says system error MO disk not ready call the service 0703332330
i don;t know what is the cause as the system was operating there  as u operate one can i know what is the cause and how i can reach a solution of that problem soon
waiting ur reply

Dr.serdar

Re: sequoia system error

Dr. Serdar, unfortunately I've had this issue several times within the past 2-3 weeks, and each time it was a hard disk failure. The cause could be that the system software had a fault while trying to transfer data from the MO disk to the hard drive, or the hard drive to the MO disk. Also, if the system is not shut down properly it can corrupt the hard disk.

The MO Disk Not Ready error could also be something that is fixable if you can get the system to boot into the Service User Interface.

When the system is powered off: Hold the "Multi-Hz" toggle switch in the UP position (towards the monitor), and press the "S" key DOWN on the keyboard. Turn the system on and continue to hold these two keys. On the small LCD panel in the upper left of the system you should see "Keys Detected: 15 B0". The monitor will also have a display bar that should eventually say "Starting Service Tool".

If this never appears then it is probably a software/hard disk drive failure. I would recommend trying to get a replacement hard disk with software from the people you purchased the system from.

As a side note, is there an MO disk in the front bucket (towards the bottom of the system, at the front, there is a small door that lifts up) labeled "System backup" or "Backup" with the serial number of your system? If you have this, you can at least reload the system once you have a new hard drive with software installed on it.

Please let me know what you're able to find.

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Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
thanks for your prompt reply
i realy paid much for that machine and never used it as it arrived yesterday, iam in contact with seimens engineer too he said the same things , but also said that it might be mo drive problems itself ?
do u think that this transport can affect the hard drive more than the mo drive.
by the way the green indicator of the mo drive is always on and never turn off !
i also stopped the power supply to the mo drive but same errror appeared , i will try to go to service mode and reply u soon

iam realy greatfull for your help
dr.serdar

Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
fortunatenlly i was able to go to service tool mode and i found the mo disk in the store in front of the machine and the mo disk has many backups from 2003 till 2006 and last software version was 9.51 , so this mean that the mo drive is working and also the hard drive smile thanks god
i tried to restore some back up files in the mo disk but  after a while it said SUI log network error or some thing like that iam not sure , and didn't work
do i need to formate the mo disk?
or what is the next step ?

thanks so much for ur help

Dr.serdar

Re: sequoia system error

i forgot to tell you that the monitor and the machine was transported seperatly and i connected them here , but the connection is correct , could this connection make such aproblem?

dr.serdar

Re: sequoia system error

Dr. Serdar,

** NEVER FORMAT THE BACKUP DISK** I would recommend even having two backup disks handy. I'll make a walkthrough for backing up data from your hard drive to an MO disk in a different post.

Can you tell me the model name/part number of your MO Disk Drive? I am wondering if any of the jumper settings are incorrect, perhaps maybe a jumper fell off during transit? It could also be that the MO disk drive is failing. It's not an uncommon thing, since it is exposed to dust easily, which can get on the moving parts inside the drive. If you have compressed air, you can try gently blowing out the inside of the MO drive.

As for the monitor, that shouldn't be an issue. I've replaced many monitors on these systems and have yet to see one cause an internal issue.

The next step I can think of would be try to boot to imaging. If you're capable of accessing the hard drive, and MO drive through service, it should boot to imaging. If it still doesn't, we can try doing some data resets to bring it back to a default configuration, but that might not do anything.

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dear todd
i did data restore from the mo disk to a previous version nothing happened , i also did data reset , all 4 types of data .( calc , examin , aeg and network )data and rebooted the system nothing happened ?
if the problem is in the mo drive how i can restore data backup from mo disk ?
i also did hardware diagnostic test the result was basic dagnostic test didn't pass call the manfucturer for service
how i can do imaging boot through service tool?
mo disk drive is olympus 640 mb and acuson sequoia is c256

Last edited by Dr.serdar (2010-11-23 12:08:57)

Re: sequoia system error

Well Dr. Serdar, you may have to replace the MO Drive. Were you able to try the can-of-air trick? Also, if you feel adventurous... behind and underneath the monitor (when the system keyboard area has been elevated as high as it can go) there will be a small panel that has two screws. Remove the screws and remove the panel. That should give you access to the MO disk drive.

Two screws will be holding the MO drive tray in place, these will need to be removed to slide the MO disk out of the ultrasound system. I'll put up a picture in a little bit, just need to find a system that is similar to yours.

Once the MO disk drive is out, get the model # and manufacturer name for me, and I can help you check the jumper settings. We can also try reseating the cable. Sometimes things can be knocked loose... it's not common, but it's worth checking.

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Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
if the problem i in the jumper setting how i can restore the data from the mo back up disk through service tool , i mean the mo drive is working?
i did took out the disk drive and the manfucture is  olympus  optical co   , model    MOS362E

help me pls
thank you

Re: sequoia system error

Hm. I was just exploring the options that were available. I misread your statement earlier about being able to reload the information off your backup disk. I thought you said there was a SUI network log, and that it wasn't able to restore from the MO disk.

It looks like there shouldn't be any jumpers on that particular MO disk drive. If there are... pull them off and try to boot the system. I'm assuming you're still getting the "MO Disk Not Ready" error, yeah? Does the green light stay on all the time as well?

As for the data restore.. which one did you select to restore? There should be an option labeled as "SYSTEM", that will be all of the system data, try restoring that and once it's finished exit out of the service user interface to reboot the system.

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dear todd

if the any jumper setting of that mo drive (olympus )is not correct how i can read the data on the mo disk !

i did data restore with my backup mo disk and selected the system file i have 6.015 version also 8.0 version i did restore data with both of previous version seperatly and it finshed but after finshing it say error in network configration see the SUI log.
after going back to the main service tool menue it say activate network work changes ? yes or no i said yes
but when i rebooted the machine same problem after starting up for 6 min the error of mo disk is still there and the green light of the mo disk is always green never turn off
but when i go to service tool menu during the start up it said sequoia 9.51 version so i think changes didn't occure , may be due to the network configuration problem as he said.

another sequoia engineer is helping me too he said delete all data of network except for network host and host name , i also did that but same problem?
so what is the next step?:(

Last edited by Dr.serdar (2010-11-25 04:47:12)

Re: sequoia system error

helloo todd
still waiting ur reply
help me pls

Re: sequoia system error

Thursday was a U.S. holiday that I spent with friends and family. We also did not work on Friday, so please forgive me for not replying to you until now.

My best advice for you on this system would be to either reload the system software somehow (see if Siemens will provide you with a 9.51 software disk, or if you can get it from the people who sold you the system), or get a pre-loaded hard drive with 9.51 software on it.

Since it is a C256 system, I'm assuming the hard drive is located as a chassis mount, meaning it is towards the rear of the system, in an enclosure. Most systems were field upgraded to use the disk bay area for hard drive/mo drive, but some of the older systems did not have that done. I have always had issues with the chassis mounted hard drives.

When I get back into the office either tomorrow or monday, I will upload some photos of how to access the chassis mount hard drive. In the meantime, see if you can get the software reload disk as I think there's something corrupted on the hard disk.

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dear todd
thanks for ur reply
i know it was weekend and i think thanks giving holiday
u know i restored the system with backup mo disk i have with 9.51 software it finshed smoothly to the end without error and rebooted the machine by itself but when it started same error mo drive appeared do u think it is still from hard drive?

Re: sequoia system error

When you say you have a 9.51 backup software disk, does that mean it's an install disk? Did you hold the "Gate" toggle UP, and the "S" key DOWN to use the disk? Or was it a data restore disk, that you used from the service tool?

One thing you could try, just to see where things are getting held up, is to watch the boot-up sequence by holding the "MultiHz" toggle UP towards the monitor, and the "V" key DOWN. There will be a bunch of text on the screen, sort of in the background, and you can see if the hard drive is being read by the system, or if the MO disk drive is causing the whole problem.

Another thing to try to understand with these ultrasound systems is that they're built/designed/produced in an R&D environment. They try to catch all of the bugs and software glitches before they ship the systems... but just to give you an idea of how well that works... there are multiple revisions of software (5, 6, 7.2, 8, 9.51, 9.9, 10.1, 12, 12.2, 12.22). Latest and greatest revision for the Sequoia was 12.221. Even then I've seen strange things happen to these newer revision level systems.

Please believe me when I say that part of the troubleshooting process is to eliminate as many possible problems you can at minimal cost. The last thing I wanted to have you worry about was replacing hardware. As it stands, without parts that you know for sure are working.. we're basically just taking guesses at what the issue could be. The next line of troubleshooting would be to: get a 9.51 Software Installation disk, get a new hard drive and MO disk drive.

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Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
i use the data backup disk through service tool i go to data restore then choose the system data back up on mo disk it go smoothly to the end with out error reporting then the system reboot by itself but as it start up again same mo drive error occer
i will try the MULTIHZ and V booton to see the sequence of things and i will tell u


dr.serdar

Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
during holding MULTIHZ up and V botton this is what occured:

starting power up tests
SSP PUT loader version 2.0 ,Built Jun 1 2005 ,20:30:13.
start_addr 0x1000 length 0x2f000
PUT version 8.0
BIN_TARGET (s8.442_rel)built by --Thu Apr 14 02:00:45 PDT 2005
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.
21.22.23.24.
Resetting ACP (address: 0xfebe0000) . done
25!26.27.28!29.30.
PUT : failed 25.28


pn:32062:
MX pn:(coorupted prom ?)
HW Arch levels:0x1222
RDP5 (64M) PIC2  I0V2 BDM1 (64M) No MX No PVI CRT
(0x12222)
sysflags: 0xd (0xd)

waiting for HD drive to be ready ........
Error:No sense data available

HD disk is not ready

waiting for HD drive to be ready ........
Error:No sense data available

HD disk is not ready

waiting for MO drive to be ready.....

Re: sequoia system error

Yeah, thats the machine not reading the hard drive then. Odd that you can still boot to the service tool.

I would recommend a software reload or a new hard drive.

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dear todd
do u think that i can reload it with higher version softwareor same 9.51 software because i need to buy it as it didn't come with machine

Re: sequoia system error

I'd recommend sticking with 9.51. For the most part it's a stable software level, and with higher software levels I've encountered an image artifact that appears only on C256 systems. I don't know what it is exactly, the local Siemens engineer didn't know what was going on with it either. He had a copy of 12.221 that was loaded onto one of our C256's and until 9.51 was loaded, there was an image artifact/issue.

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Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
there is PUT failure 25 and 28
before it say HD not ready by the MultiHZ and V button
i contacted local Siemens  engineer but he is not familial with these sequoia machine and he said that the above PUT failure is mainly board problems after reading the service manual
what do u think?

Re: sequoia system error

Hm. PUT stands for "power up test", which is basic diagnostics stuff for the Sequoia. It looks like 25 and 28 are both Transmitter tests, in board slot 1. Since it is a C256, it only has one TX and one BF (Transmitter and Beamformer).

PUT 25 - Test TX VGain Slot 1 - Ensures TX VGAIN is functional for Slot 1, Fatal Error: system will try to boot -- possible causes: TX, CN (Controller)
PUT 28 - Test TX PWG registers Slot 1 - Safety, patient exposure to uncontrolled power levels. Fatal Error: system will try to boot -- possible causes: TX, CN

There's a few problems with this though. Unless you have "Third Party Service" turned on, you cannot pull the side cover off to do any sort of board maintenance/replacing (if you do pull the silver panel/cover off, the system software prevents the Sequoia from booting to imaging, and it puts the fans on really high/fast). I was going to recommend pulling out the TX and putting it back in to see if there's a loose/weak connection. However, I would need you to enter the "Feature Control" of the system, from the Service Tool, and look for the third party service option.

If you have it, great. I'd recommend pulling the side off, and reseating the TX and CN boards. Unless the local service rep has parts, that's the cheapest/easiest way to see if maybe if things were knocked loose in shipping.

If you don't have Third Party Service, you'll need to get a service password for the day. This will also allow you to run diagnostic tests to get a clearer picture of what could be wrong with the system.

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Re: sequoia system error

dear todd
i was waiting for the installation mo disk to formate the echo machine
only today i recived it
can u tell me how to formate the system with thanks